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		<title>By: 175. The price of oil: peak petroleum production and energy economics in a thirsty world &#171; roads of stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>175. The price of oil: peak petroleum production and energy economics in a thirsty world &#171; roads of stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $1 a gallon. And then $2, and $3 at one time, too. But that&#8217;s just the start – and even a recession in North America may not make much difference now. Because what will a recession do? A drop in GDP of 1 or 2%, for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] $1 a gallon. And then $2, and $3 at one time, too. But that&#8217;s just the start – and even a recession in North America may not make much difference now. Because what will a recession do? A drop in GDP of 1 or 2%, for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: courtney benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>courtney benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recession, Recession, what Recession? Don&#039;t you believe Bush and the boys? I guess they finally ran out of that brand of cool aid. But don&#039;t fear because they just sold the American public a new version of watered down cool aid with their latest bail out scheme. Maybe everybody should take the $600-$1200 and run with the gold and silver crowd or GE, Halliburton and big Oil :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recession, Recession, what Recession? Don&#8217;t you believe Bush and the boys? I guess they finally ran out of that brand of cool aid. But don&#8217;t fear because they just sold the American public a new version of watered down cool aid with their latest bail out scheme. Maybe everybody should take the $600-$1200 and run with the gold and silver crowd or GE, Halliburton and big Oil <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TechGuy</title>
		<link>http://theroxylandr.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/recession-is-confirmed/#comment-28411</link>
		<dc:creator>TechGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theroxylandr wrote:

&quot;Sweden, I don’t know where to look for China export orders.&quot;

FWIW: I recall reading that China&#039;s domestic demand for manufactured goods has been falling since November. I might have read this on CalculatedRisk. 

This likely means that China is going to experience some issues with decoupling from exports to the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theroxylandr wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sweden, I don’t know where to look for China export orders.&#8221;</p>
<p>FWIW: I recall reading that China&#8217;s domestic demand for manufactured goods has been falling since November. I might have read this on CalculatedRisk. </p>
<p>This likely means that China is going to experience some issues with decoupling from exports to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: jdllmcpa</title>
		<link>http://theroxylandr.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/recession-is-confirmed/#comment-28399</link>
		<dc:creator>jdllmcpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the outstanding TAF balance as of today should be 60b. the loans are for 28 days so the 1-14 &amp; 1-28 loans, at 30b each, should show up as 60b. maybe the 1-30 numbers for the 1-31 H.3 don&#039;t include the 1-28 at 30b but only reflect the the 12-20 @ 20b and the 1-14 @ 30b equaling 50b, but it sure seems like the 12-20 @ 20b should have been repaid and taken off the books by 1-30, even if 1-30 #s are pro forma.

the Fed is basically increasing the revolving line of credit by 10b a month and lowering the interest each time around to boot. it will be interesting to see if Feb TAFs come in above 30b or if March is announced at 40b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the outstanding TAF balance as of today should be 60b. the loans are for 28 days so the 1-14 &amp; 1-28 loans, at 30b each, should show up as 60b. maybe the 1-30 numbers for the 1-31 H.3 don&#8217;t include the 1-28 at 30b but only reflect the the 12-20 @ 20b and the 1-14 @ 30b equaling 50b, but it sure seems like the 12-20 @ 20b should have been repaid and taken off the books by 1-30, even if 1-30 #s are pro forma.</p>
<p>the Fed is basically increasing the revolving line of credit by 10b a month and lowering the interest each time around to boot. it will be interesting to see if Feb TAFs come in above 30b or if March is announced at 40b.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
		<link>http://theroxylandr.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/recession-is-confirmed/#comment-28398</link>
		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The recession is getting off to an odd start -- the DJIA will likely finish up over 100 pts today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recession is getting off to an odd start &#8212; the DJIA will likely finish up over 100 pts today.</p>
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		<title>By: theroxylandr</title>
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		<dc:creator>theroxylandr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweden, I don&#039;t know where to look for China export orders.

About lagging numbers. No, it doesn&#039;t mean the market has to go up, though it can :-)

Yes, it&#039;s like last time. The market bottomed in late 2002 but jobs continued to deteriorate, especially without much later backward adjustments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweden, I don&#8217;t know where to look for China export orders.</p>
<p>About lagging numbers. No, it doesn&#8217;t mean the market has to go up, though it can <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s like last time. The market bottomed in late 2002 but jobs continued to deteriorate, especially without much later backward adjustments</p>
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		<title>By: theroxylandr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdllmcpa, what is the outstanding TAF balance? Is it 50 bln?

Those numbers look close enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdllmcpa, what is the outstanding TAF balance? Is it 50 bln?</p>
<p>Those numbers look close enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bonds7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On January 18th 2008 Bill Ackman wrote a letter to Moody’s and the S&amp;P regarding the monolines. Here is point #8 of Bill Ackman’s Letter to Rating Agencies Regarding Bond Insurers:

I encourage you to ask yourself the following question while looking at your image in the mirror:

Does a company deserve your highest Triple A rating whose stock price has declined 90%, has cut its dividend, is scrambling to raise capital, completed a partial financing at 14% interest (now trading at a 20% yield one week later), has incurred losses massively in excess of its promised zero-loss expectations wiping out more than half of book value, with Berkshire Hathaway as a new competitor, having lost access to its only liquidity facility, and having concealed material information from the marketplace?

Can this possibly make sense?

http://downgradetheinsurers.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On January 18th 2008 Bill Ackman wrote a letter to Moody’s and the S&amp;P regarding the monolines. Here is point #8 of Bill Ackman’s Letter to Rating Agencies Regarding Bond Insurers:</p>
<p>I encourage you to ask yourself the following question while looking at your image in the mirror:</p>
<p>Does a company deserve your highest Triple A rating whose stock price has declined 90%, has cut its dividend, is scrambling to raise capital, completed a partial financing at 14% interest (now trading at a 20% yield one week later), has incurred losses massively in excess of its promised zero-loss expectations wiping out more than half of book value, with Berkshire Hathaway as a new competitor, having lost access to its only liquidity facility, and having concealed material information from the marketplace?</p>
<p>Can this possibly make sense?</p>
<p><a href="http://downgradetheinsurers.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://downgradetheinsurers.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t tell it by looking at the market indexes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t tell it by looking at the market indexes.</p>
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		<title>By: jdllmcpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdllmcpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, here&#039;s the link

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/Current/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, here&#8217;s the link</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/Current/" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/Current/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jdllmcpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdllmcpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF???

Jan. 31st FRB: H.3 swung to -8.1b non-borrowed reserves, and those are the adjusted figures. And the Jan. 30th TAF shows 50b? Any explanation for the discrepancy between the 50b and the press releases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF???</p>
<p>Jan. 31st FRB: H.3 swung to -8.1b non-borrowed reserves, and those are the adjusted figures. And the Jan. 30th TAF shows 50b? Any explanation for the discrepancy between the 50b and the press releases?</p>
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		<title>By: Sweden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for my bad english!</description>
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		<title>By: Sweden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...two more thing.

Have you noticed the decrease in orders in the US, GB and in China export orders?
Exportorders fall from 54,3 to 49,0.

China is the manufactor for the world and the orders are now falling?!?!

Next...
You say the numbers are lagging?
The market started to go up in 2004, last time we had a drop in job?
Doesent that mean the markets should go up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;two more thing.</p>
<p>Have you noticed the decrease in orders in the US, GB and in China export orders?<br />
Exportorders fall from 54,3 to 49,0.</p>
<p>China is the manufactor for the world and the orders are now falling?!?!</p>
<p>Next&#8230;<br />
You say the numbers are lagging?<br />
The market started to go up in 2004, last time we had a drop in job?<br />
Doesent that mean the markets should go up?</p>
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		<title>By: theroxylandr</title>
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		<dc:creator>theroxylandr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweden, I missed that, thanks. 

From the report - &quot;We are in a squeeze between supplier pressure to raise prices and customer pressure to reduce prices.&quot; (Chemical Products)

From the Jan 15 PPI report:

Prices for:
Finished goods: -0.1%
Intermediate materials: -0.2%
Crude materials: +1.0%

Also note in today NFP report wages are +0.2%, i.e. below consumer inflation

We clearly have no inflationary pressure at the consumption level whatsoever. The prices will drift lower, this year inflation will be very low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweden, I missed that, thanks. </p>
<p>From the report &#8211; &#8220;We are in a squeeze between supplier pressure to raise prices and customer pressure to reduce prices.&#8221; (Chemical Products)</p>
<p>From the Jan 15 PPI report:</p>
<p>Prices for:<br />
Finished goods: -0.1%<br />
Intermediate materials: -0.2%<br />
Crude materials: +1.0%</p>
<p>Also note in today NFP report wages are +0.2%, i.e. below consumer inflation</p>
<p>We clearly have no inflationary pressure at the consumption level whatsoever. The prices will drift lower, this year inflation will be very low.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please comment the increase of the price index from 68 to 76 in todays ISM.  Doesent that mean the the marginals decrease?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please comment the increase of the price index from 68 to 76 in todays ISM.  Doesent that mean the the marginals decrease?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Dorland</title>
		<link>http://theroxylandr.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/recession-is-confirmed/#comment-28382</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Dorland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, you know there is no such thing as recession. We have a &quot;soft&quot; laneding. All we need is more &quot;democracy&quot; and &quot;flower power&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, you know there is no such thing as recession. We have a &#8220;soft&#8221; laneding. All we need is more &#8220;democracy&#8221; and &#8220;flower power&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: theroxylandr</title>
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		<dc:creator>theroxylandr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plantagenet - I don&#039;t know the best book on sector rotation. I will appreciate if anyone will add his favorite books.

But this book &quot;Intermarket Analysis: Profiting from Global Market Relationships&quot;

http://www.amazon.com/Intermarket-Analysis-Profiting-Relationships-Trading/dp/0471023299/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1201880776&amp;sr=1-2

is more than enough to start. You&#039;ll finish reading it well before we reach the bottom :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plantagenet &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the best book on sector rotation. I will appreciate if anyone will add his favorite books.</p>
<p>But this book &#8220;Intermarket Analysis: Profiting from Global Market Relationships&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Intermarket-Analysis-Profiting-Relationships-Trading/dp/0471023299/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1201880776&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Intermarket-Analysis-Profiting-Relationships-Trading/dp/0471023299/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1201880776&amp;sr=1-2</a></p>
<p>is more than enough to start. You&#8217;ll finish reading it well before we reach the bottom <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Plantagenet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plantagenet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to use the &quot;half year of violent downside&quot; you mention profitably.  It sounds like reading textbooks on sector rotation theory is in order.  Could you please mention any specific titles suitable for the diligent amateur?

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to use the &#8220;half year of violent downside&#8221; you mention profitably.  It sounds like reading textbooks on sector rotation theory is in order.  Could you please mention any specific titles suitable for the diligent amateur?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: theroxylandr</title>
		<link>http://theroxylandr.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/recession-is-confirmed/#comment-28379</link>
		<dc:creator>theroxylandr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feds just lent $11 bln at 2.36%. This is a deeply recessionary discount, welcome to new reality!

And it still was a drain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feds just lent $11 bln at 2.36%. This is a deeply recessionary discount, welcome to new reality!</p>
<p>And it still was a drain&#8230;</p>
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