Oh, what a year it will be, even compared with all the turbulences of 2007!
Before going into the forecast let me wish you from all my heart to be surrounded by love and friendship that will help you to go through the tough times, good luck to avoid what is not under your control and the brain to change what you can! If those wishes materialize – believe me – you will be fine
Recession
I do not make any recession call for 2008, because we are already in the recession since December of 2007. But my forecast is that the recession won’t be over this year
Credit crunch
The important feature of credit crunch is that it happens fast. Remember, the over-hyped Blackstone (the flagship crazy loaner) IPO was a huge success at June 21st and the full-scale credit crunch happened at August 10.
In 2007 the credit crunch was all about subprime mortgages, while in fact it was just the first wheel that came off. We will have some more major credit problems to develop in 2008:
- Mortgages in general, including prime loans. Option ARMs – mortgages made for people who didn’t plan to pay from the day one
- Commercial real estate
- Credit cards
- Auto loans
- Municipal bonds
Each of those problems will come out of blue sky and cause major losses and panic across the board
Real estate
Whatever metric you chose there is no bottom in 2008 and it’s too early to say when that will bottom. For the details go to Calculated Risk, he’s the RE boss
Major bankruptcies
It takes time for a company to bankrupt and even then most corporations finally do survive and re-emerge back from the bankruptcy, like Delta Airlines did. I have a list of companies that will bankrupt by 2010, but some of them (2 or 3) will seek the chapter 11 protection as soon as in 2008:
- Countrywide
- Washington Mutual – when this happens, it will be blood on the streets
- Bkuna
- Downey Financial
- Chrysler (restructuring through bk, nothing special)
- Standard Pacific
- Beazer Homes
- Hovnanian
- Major problems (but no bankruptcy) for Fannie and Freddie
Stock market
The only thing I can say for sure is that we will be in the bear market for the whole year, with the first leg down in February. I have no idea how far down it will go – 5%? 30%? Who knows…
There are couple of sectors that will bottom and start drifting up already this year. That will be:
- Utilities
- Consumer staples
- Financials. Yes, I’m not kidding. It will be a horrible year for financials but that will be a bottom, at some point. Two more panics like we had in August and I’m buying the big-cap banks and broker dealers, but not the small regional banks, those will not recover for years. I think the best day to go long will be a day when Washington Mutual goes bankrupt
- Maybe Transports, hard to say
There are some sectors that will enter (or stay in) a violent bear market and have no recovery in 2008:
- Cyclicals, Industrials
- Consumer discretionary
- Materials
- Commercial real estate, REITs
- Mortgage lenders, homebuilders
I have no doubt that the market in general will not bottom this year, but I will have many long positions going into year end, as I have many longs right now
Emerging markets
I think the first cracks in the Chinese economy will happen as soon as this year. They have three related major problems, each of nightmarish scale:
- Almost all of the Chinese economy is very cyclical, they have very little counter-cyclical exposure. It’s similar to the industrialization in US back in 1920s. Moreover, the majority of industrial production is operating at the tiny margin, even no, when there is a boom, many businesses are operating at loss and receive government help. In comparison, US economy in 1920s had much better profit margins
- Hundreds of millions of peasants left the countryside to work in cities for $1-$3 per day. They have no savings, no property. When the factory they work on finally bankrupt they will run out of food within days. There is no proper infrastructure to feed them, the only solution to the problem they will have is to take some weapons and kill for food, and there will be many millions of people like that. There will be blood on the streets
- The Chinese middle class is fully invested at margin into grossly overvalued stock market. When market will start tanking for real it will have no bids, the 80% decline top to bottom is pretty much my target. This again reminds US in 1920s.
China is heavily dependent on the exports into Western world, and when the downturn happens we will have the upper hand. We can live with less imported junk, they can’t scale back. When we sneeze they’ll get sick, when we get sick, they will be in coma
Energy
I think oil will stay in the trading range until Chinese Olympics, probably making a last run to $100. After that the downturn will be so obvious that we’ll see $85 this year and $60-$70 in 2009. At some point oil will kiss $50, but it will be years from now, unless some kind of war happens
January 1, 2008 at 7:40 pm
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January 1, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Agree on most of your analysis. Not sure about oil though. I don’t think we’ll ever see $50 oil again unless cheap fusion power becomes widespread and the oil market collapses.
January 2, 2008 at 12:57 am
great read. you were referenced at CR.
I wonder if closer to the election, after school starts, if the PPT will put the pressure on the market to be up.
January 2, 2008 at 6:52 am
Financials. Yes, I’m not kidding.
Yes, I know you are not kidding; just look back to the big run the financials went on right into October after the August lows. And now we have the confirmed interest of more than a few ‘white knights’, including many sovereign wealth funds. For me it is hard psychologically to go long these dog sectors. Especially when they seem as corrupt and rotten as many of the financials.
January 2, 2008 at 10:07 am
About PPT – looking at the budget deficit I suspect PPT is out of money, too
They are mostly operating by banging their heads on TV screens, from inside
January 2, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Another industry worthy of your bankrupcy list is airlines. With Oil prices well above the $80 for the past six months, shakey financial footing, I think we will see some big name airlines file for bankruptcy in 2008. Some may even be liquidated by the end of 2009. MaxiJet (small carrier) went Belly-up the day before Christmas.
As far as China, I would be suprised to see any major economic fallout before the 2008 summer olympics. The Chinese gov’t has well over a trillion in currency reserves, which can go a long way to prop up their economy.
China is also looking for another client for its export market, now that the US is falling out of favor:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/12/06/ap4412520.html
If this is successful, the US is in deep trouble, as our share of Oil from the Middle East will flow to China instead. I think there is a good chance that China becomes a major player in the Middle East, to replace the US, if the US withdraws after Bush leaves office. If the US does withdraw, I believe there is a strong chance that China (or Russia) will put its troops into Iraq and other Oil exporters to secure its energy supplies for its own use. If it happens it will probably occur between 2009 to 2012. I don’t see a US withdraw while Bush remains in office.
theroxylandr wrote:
“I think oil will stay in the trading range until Chinese Olympics, probably making a last run to $100.”
It looks like you didn’t have to wait very long for that prediction:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/crude-hits-100-barrel-supply/story.aspx?guid=%7BC29452C3%2D4514%2D434D%2DB23F%2D8B74CBAC26EE%7D
I would give a 50% chance that Oil spikes up to $125 by June. This is based upon the assumption that internal demand increases exporters (Russia, Middle East), falling global production, increased demand in Asia, and increased violence in Africa (Nigeria), and the Middle East (Pakastan, Iraq). I don’t think demand destruction in the US caused by a recession will be sufficient to drive prices significantly lower, as internal demand in Oil exports (such as Russia, and the Middle East) are rapidity rising.
January 3, 2008 at 6:10 pm
TechGuy, I meant that in the case if the scenario of armed riots in China will materialize, that will decrease oil consumption not only there but everywhere.
They have a large history of rebellions, like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
or some rebellions in 12 century or so.
January 7, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Did you see the piece in The Economist making the case that China was not heavily dependent on exports? If so, you response?
January 7, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Still water, no, I didn’t. Can I believe that they will consume that crap they make themselves? Who’s gonna pay for that?
September 27, 2008 at 3:19 pm
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